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I have the Delage D8-120 L&M in a 1939 version, by IXO Museum Collection, and a 1938 version by Spark Models. Side by side, they are not similar in size, so I took a look at the specs for the 1:1 Delage D8-120s by L & M.  I also had the experience to personally view an original, and in addition to their vertical radiator being incorrrect, there was something else about the Spark model that I couldn't put my finger on.

Overall I view the Spark model as being too 'skinny' in comparison to the IXO Delage D8-120, which was 'bulkier' and better fit the image I had in my head of what the original was.  A review of the spec sheet shows the wheelbase of the original was 3302mm, a front track of 1422mm, and a rear track of 1488mm.  The Spark model has a wheelbase of 75mm, a front track of 35mm, and a rear track of 34mm.  The IXO model has a wheelbase of 75mm, a front track of 36mm, and a rear track of 38mm.  As the gentleman said in 'The Story of Chuck,' numbers don't lie.  The IXO model is clearly a better proportioned model, when compared to the original Delage D8-120 L&M Coupé.  

I find this surprising, when I consider the cost of the Spark model over the IXO Museum model, and even the IXO standard D8-120 L&M model, for one expects more for one's buck.  As detailed as the Spark model may be there is one detail they overlooked.

39 Delage D8 120s L&M
38 Delage D8 120s L&M


   
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Must be a wheelbase of 75mm not 750...  😉    The rear tracks are 4mm off from each other, not much in miniature, but 17 cm or 7 inches in full scale which seems like a lot... 



   
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...yeah, well, I've spent many an hour on diatribes dealing with this very subject - I shan't bore everyone yet again, other than to reiterate:

I find it hard to believe that in 2026, manufactures continue to have problems with "scale."       It's just math!   Figures don't lie, but liars can figure; how can Company A  measure a "1956 Whatever"  and calculate scale dimensions very different than "Company B's"  results?     

If one-foot equals 7.09 mm in 1/43, then one-foot equals 7.09 mm, not 7.1, or 8.3, or 6.7, etc.    😬 😬 😠 😠 😡 



   
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@karl   If I learn nothing else during my time in the DZ, it will be to check my numbers again and a second time, before posting.  You are correct and I will make the appropriate adjustment.

Yes, that difference in the tracks is what bothered me, because in the real world that is a substantial difference.



   
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@chris   Absolutely!!  How is that they can't get it right?  And, the radiator on the Spark Delage?  The radiator is not straight up and down on the 1:1 and it causes me to wonder if they have ever seen a real Delage, or even a photograph.



   
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I have read that some early Spark used Provence Moulage resin castings as a base. Many early Provence Moulage belonged to an early era when, like John Day white metal, the human eye rather than accurate measurement ruled the day.



   
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@david-green I agree that many patterns makers used their eye back in the day.  If current models are not exactly 1:43, then I think some pattern maker or modeler decided that true 1:43 did not look right to the 1:1 eye.  OR, some bean counter said: "that is too much resin/metal, reduce it!" because of cost....  In 2026, we definitely have the technology to make it 1:43 in all dimensions!



   
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IMHO, both models are incorrect, Spark is too "skinny" and IXO is too bulky, both have decent sideview. Another incorrectness of the Spark is the down slopping hood. Never the less I love Delages, so have both models. Have 2 others from Matrix, have to take a look at those.

While these are 2 separate chassis, they were both made by the same coachbuilder, so they should be much more similar. 

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here is another discussion on the same topic and comparison of the model of the Delage by Pourtout. 

https://diecast.org/community/1_43/diecast-for-today-8-12-21-ixo-mus010-delage-d8-120/  

Note, at the time of this older discussion, I did not own the IXO model, and for long time I considered it more inferior model but it grew up on me, so I finally got one.



   
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Here found my pictures from the Peterson museum's vault.

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But the blue car looks a bit more elegant and "skinny", so the body may be different than the golden car:

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@chav Dramatic scale differences to say the least.  There's simply no excuse for this - and IMO, there's never a need for deliberate adjustments  to fool the naked-eye, so that scaled-down replicas look better.     Simply scale down accurately and let the results speak for themselves - it is what it is.

I've used Google Gemini dozens of times to scale down  1:1 vehicles and occasionally the results surprise me, but I've never considered manually adjusting  any dimension so that the model looks better.    🙄 

For instance, I would've bet that the distance between the C-pillar and rear of this '57 Dodge would've appeared longer in scale....but it just didn't, however, it's accurate. 

Gem 57 Dodge

Here's the Delage D8-120 for comparison - 1/43 IXO vs. 1/43 Gemini:

FRONT

De 7
De 11

3/4 FRONT

De 10
De 8

3/4 REAR

De 13
De 12

Hmm.....  🤔 🤨 

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@chris That is cool! Perhaps, we should just collect virtual models... much cheaper, less clutter.



   
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@chav  I have the IXO Museum Portout and I think it's fine, especially for the price.



   
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@chris  The Gemini wheels are much better proportioned.



   
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@chav  I have the IXO Museum Portout and I think it's fine, especially for the price.

Agreed. I also have the IXO and Heco 1:43 and the Automodello 1:24 just because my main interest is in 1:24. The Automodello is stunningly finished model but the shapes are inaccurate to the 1:1. Raffi interprets the shapes for appearance in scale (something Chris mentioned designers do) and the Automodello version is too elongated similar to a design drawing of the Delage. I finally figured out why IXO and Automodello made the car in black, there is drawing of the car in black published in a 1937 magazine.

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Marshall Buck is working for years on a 1/12 kit, I think that would be the best interpretation when finished (... if finished). 

https://cmamodels.com/limited-editions/1937-delage-d8-120-s-aerodynamic-coupe/

 



   
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