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Harv Goranson
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@charles-rockett Yep, all 5 versions. In fact I have just about all Saratov-made "A" models. Quite rare is the Russobalt with engine detail.

Saratov A35 Russo Balt 1910 black pic3


   
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The Zis 101 was replaced in 1940 by the Zis 101A which combined the body of the 101 - but with modernised grille treatment - with the more modern engine of the Zis 102. Again, production ceased in 1941 due to the German invasion.

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The Gaz M11 in various forms - including the 61 series which were among the world's first four wheel drive passanger cars - superceded the Gaz M1 in 1940. It used a 6 cylynder power plant of 3,485cc and 76 hp giving a top speed in the standard sedan of 69 mph. Production was halted in 1941 but resumed after the war between 1945 and 1946 when it was superceded by the all new Gaz M20 Pobeda.

I have a green version of the maroon one pictured above.  Thinking it MIGHT have been based on an American car the best I could come up with was a prewar Nash but they had trunks and were not "slopers".

 

1938 unknown #1
1938 unknown #2
1938 unknown rear

John F. Quilter
Eugene, Oregon USA


   
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Charles Rockett
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@john-quilter Hello John, this is not an area of expertise of mine, however from what I have read, the first Soviet limousine, Leningrad L1 was almost identical to the all new 1931 Buick (pictured below in blue by Kherson Models, alongside the Leningrad L1 by Наш Автопром - sadly not mine.)

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We may surmise then, that Russian engineers and stylists were familiar with Buick products, when we compare the 1936 Buick Limited (both pictured below, on right a special body '36) with the Zis 101. We may note that by the time we reach the Zis 102, the Zis grille as been more closely aligned with the contemporary Buick grille and the Zis 101A that you picture is very much aligned with 1938 Buick grilles. It is worth noting too, that sloping the rear portion of cars, to incorporate the boot, was standard practice with couchbuilders when creating seven passenger limousines to maximise interior space allowed by the chassis. Again, this is casual observation.

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Charles Rockett
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@mg-harv Harv, it is very nice to see this model. I have never seen one with engine detail, and whilst I have more recent Russo-Balt issues, I only have two of the Saratov issues - sans beautiful boxes.  One day, perhaps if you have a bored moment, you'd be able to treat us to pictures of the set?



   
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Harv Goranson
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@charles-rockett Here they are, with a look at the various chassis designs:

Saratov Russo Balts
Saratov A22 A32 A35 Russo Balt chassis

A22 1915 Russo-Balt S24-40 Touring

Saratov A22 Russo Balt 1915 pic3

A32 1912 Russo-Balt S24-30 Limousine

Saratov A32 Russo Balt 1912 pic3

A35 1910 Russo-Balt S24-30 Landaulet with close-up of the engine on the black one

Saratov A35 Russo Balt 1910 blue pic3
Saratov A35 Russo Balt 1910 black pic6

A36 1909 Russo-Balt S24-30 Twin Phaeton

Saratov A36 Russo Balt 1909 pic4

A37 1913 Russo-Balt S24-30 Enclosed Limousine

Saratov A37 Russo Balt 1913 pic3

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Charles Rockett
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@mg-harv This looks great! And all in blue, allows us to compare their nuances of design, all the better. Many thanks for sharing these. 



   
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@mg-harv 

Interesting models. Do you remember where you bought them?


Ed Davis
Inverness, Illinois, USA


   
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Harv Goranson
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@ed-davis Technically, they were not "bought". These were acquired through trades with collectors in the USSR and Czechoslovakia in the 1982-1991 time frame. Sending currency to Soviet block countries back then was not legal, I think, so we arranged what we thought were fair trades. I found a number of these collectors through ads in the old Modellers World and Model Auto Review print publications. 

Around 1991 or so I also obtained a certain government clearance. Made for an interesting interview to say the least! But I decided to suspend some of this trading in favor of easily maintaining this clearance.



   
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