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(@fred-eliseeff)
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Trying to fill gaps in my Lincoln collection I decided to risk and to buy resin 1969 Lincoln Continental by GLM. I didn't wait much from this model but didn't think that things are too bad. A big problem that diecast and white metal manufacturers aren't very active in 1/43 scale anymore and let resin makers from China to occupy significant part of the market.

I received my model with moldings which can't be fixed. This is a widespread problem for Chinese resin but manufacturers don't want to decide it and to change any technologies. Why not to modify connection of moldings with a body? Why not to make auxilary little holes for fixing? Since 2008 when Neo appeared nothing changed and  this is a shame.

I know that amvassadors of GLM, Stamp, Neo etc read this forum and would be very interesting to listen their comments.

After this experience I know that no sense to waste time and money for resin. Even if the model looks good it can be damaged after several years. Very sad that white metal manufacturers stopped their activity and left many gaps. There are no diecast and white metal Continentals from 70s- 80s.

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Early on with my NEO models I had a problem with two of the model's trim falling off but after that, nothing. As to my GLM, Stamp, etc models, I have never had a problem with trim falling off. I do not take my resin models off of their plinths or play with them so that may be why I have no problems with them. I dearly love my 1/43 scale models and when the white metal makers exited the market I was most pleased that the resin models were there to satisfy my quest for new images. Unlike some, the images are everything to me.



   
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John Merritt
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Fred, there is a story behind those GLM '69 Lincoln models. I looked in my database, and I had some info that I obtained from a friend that used to be associated with GLM. When they originally issued that '69 Lincoln in 2015. It was planned to be issued in three colors, yours, a solid black and a blue. The blue is the only one that was officially issued by them as the other two colors had quality control concerns, they rejected all of the green & black and only issued a smaller than planned amount of the blue ones. As it seems to happen frequently, the rejected models were later released by the factory and not GLM, the same thing happened with the '74 Chrysler Newport. Anyway, I did buy one of the black models years later, it has the same issues that yours has. I haven't tried to make repairs yet. Of course, they all have those ridiculous wide whitewall tires, I did change the tires on my blue version right after I bought it in 2015. Here's that one.

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(@fred-eliseeff)
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@jcarnutz Thank you very much for information. A problem is that I'm trying to fill some gaps in collection of Lincolns. Initial plan was to add to this 1969 Continental 2 other models- 1977 Continental by Neo and 1997 Town Car by GLM. Now I'm a little afraid of to lose my money. Don't you know, are other models reliable?



   
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(@fred-eliseeff)
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In my opinion it's not good technical decision to fix trim elements using glue. Probably casting moldings in one piece with a body and painting it in silver is a better choice. Another variant is tampoprinting. Glue is very unreliable. 

For example in early 2000s Minichamos was producing excellent models which are very reliable. I love their 1969 Mercury which is very sophisticated.

Another interesting question is to Chinese sellers. If I understand correctly they sell scrap items. So the companies should inform customers about it and try to prevent sales of damaged models. If they don't do it they risk to lose a reputation.

 



   
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John Kuvakas
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I'm not aware of any dealers or manufacturers that are intentionally selling defective models. However, what does happen is that some factories will over-produce a model and sell the extra units as a generic release or as a blatant rip-off of the party that commissioned the model. We saw this a few years ago when Goldvarg commissioned a Chevy Nova, rejected it, then saw it released by the factory. Something very similar happened to Gregg Gunn on his  Dodge D-500 wagon. 

Stamp/GLM has been replacing some of the more delicate trim pieces, in particular, the longer side trims, with a more recent process involving a heat-bonded type of bright trim. It is permanent, and there is no chance of it coming loose. 


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(@fred-eliseeff)
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@jkuvakas Many models by GLM, Matrix and AutoCult are in sell on AliExpress. In some cases sellers inform about scrap but usually they show photos of the models in good condition and disguise quality problems. This is very bad indeed. But a question to GLM and AutoCult- do they really control production processes? If factory makes more models than in limited edition that means that nobody respects customers. I understand that companies want a profit but production of scrap should be stopped.



   
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@fred-eliseeff, Stamp/GLM has complete control of their process. Most everyone else commissions from one of two factories in China. The danger with those factories is that they can do whatever they want with the molds and forms someone like Matrix or Goldvarg pays for, and there are no repercussions.


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Я надеюсь that GLM/Stamp really control process. If your information is correct how is possible to explain that unofficial models are available on AliExpress?

Here are some of them by GLM:

1969 Lincoln Continental;

1997 Lincoln Town Car;

2008 Mercedes- Benz AMG;

1928 Rolls Royce Phantom Shooting Brake;

Chevrolet Silverado

Many sellers have about 100 items of the 1997 Lincoln! Seems that factories produce much more than they declare.



   
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Those are being sold by dealers, not by GLM/Stamp. They may be authentic factory-issued models. Many of them are old inventory being sold at a discount. I don't see any recent issues listed. 


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(@fred-eliseeff)
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@jkuvakas I understand that there are old models but all of them were produced by GLM. Most of them have problems with quality and it means thst dealers want to get of scrap items Instead of destroying scap they sell it by a reasonable price and in many cases don't inform customers about defects. I don't think that this is good and consider GLM to be responsible for selling defective models. They should control processes or to change a factory.

During 1990s- 2000s diecast and white metal manufacturers were being very active and collectors had a good choice. After resin invasion in 2010s things changed and problems started. Production in resin is cheap and lets to receive much profit. There is no secret.



   
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@fred-eliseeff The marketing of these models was not authorized by GLM because they were not meeting their quality standard. Their full production has been rejected. This subject has been discussed before.

Don't blame resin models for being bad products because they are far better than everything white metal has ever offered and even today.



   
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(@fred-eliseeff)
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@nickies I think that every collector has his persinal opinion about Chinese resin. My experience wasn't successful and I don't consider these models to be the best because of their unreliability. Diecast and white metal items are capable to be so detailed as resin. For example Conquest/Madison, Motor City USA, Western Models and modern Brooklin are extremely detailed models and have nice proportions.

Modern techologies allows to make very sophusticated inexoensive diecast models. I was very impessed of GFCC Toys. Unfortunately, after pridyction of several models they stopped activity in 1/43 scale.

As to resin such companies aa CCC, Provence Moulage, BBR etc have a high reputation and quality. When Neo appeared in 2008 problems began because Chinese factories weren't capable to fix photo- etched parts correctly. Many collectors have problems with Neo. Other resin manufacturers like GLM, Stamp, Matrix also have quality defects in many cases. That's a reason why I don't buy Chinese resin if there is any alternative in white metal or diecast. 

Of course there is my personal opinion.



   
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