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20/09/2023 7:07 am
Attn. David Green
I've returned to London for a week or so and am reunited with my precious books and model cars. My first destination was Lawrence Dalton's “The Derby Phantoms” (I would also recommend his "Those Elegant Rolls Royce”, which is an updated edition of the 1960's "Rolls Royce, The Elegance Continues").
The reason was to clarify the matter of delivery dates of Phantom III chassis / finished bodies after Britain and France's declaration of war against Germany in September 1939, from Rolls Royce records as reproduced in the Dalton books.
This follows an earlier thread in which I stated that Rolls Royce delivered their final Phantom III chassis in 1941 whereas David contended, (as I understand) that no Chassis were delivered after the pre-September '39 dockets were completed and that my dates likely referred to finished cars delivered by their respective coachbuilders. So here is a presis of Rolls Royce's order books for the 1940 / '41 timeframe. (There are eight post-September '39 chassis listed, which I’ll not repeat here, but these include only one with a British licence and interestingly 3DL176 bodied by Binder for Fritz Schlumpf of Bugatti fame, which I believe is still in the collection).
That the respective coachbuilders are in fact listed in the records, demonstrates that David’s contention is CORRECT - that the 1939 Phantom III dockets must have been finished by the Derby works and sent to the listed coachbuilders.
That only 3DL122 (as well as 3DL194, mentioned above for 1939) was given a British licence tells us all others listed were for export only. It is curious that 3DH7 AND 3DH11 are listed as being shipped to the U.S.A. unfinished, yet apparently by Hooper and H.J. Muliner respectively (rather than by Rolls Royce, themselves). Perhaps this suggests that limited recourses finally took effect?
I am grateful to David for ‘encouraging' me to look again at these details.
3DL122 BARKER JUNE 1940 Licence Number FXV707
3DL180 INSKIP AUGUST 1940
3DL182 CHARLESWORTH APRIL 1940
3DL184 H. J. MULINER APRIL 1940
3DL186 THRUPP & MABERLY APRIL 1940
3DL190 JAMES YOUNG MARCH 1940
3DL192 JAMES YOUNG JANUARY 1940
3DL196 HOOPER MARCH 1940
3DH1 HOOPER FEBRUARY 1940
3DH3 HOOPER APRIL 1940
3DH5 PARK WARD MAY 1940
3DH7 HOOPER NO DATE SHIPPED TO U.S.A. UNFINISHED
3DH9 WINDOVER JANUARY 1941
3DH11 H. J. MULINER NO DATE SHIPPED TO U.S.A. UNFINISHED
20/09/2023 8:04 am
Thanks for being a gentleman and for your detailed post, Charles.
John Kuvakas
Warrenton, VA
20/09/2023 8:28 am
Thank you Charles, an impressive well documented response. Those were very chaotic times and I am surprised that such information was recorded.
Your apology was not needed but am really pleased with getting this information. I hope that you had an enjoyable UK visit.
Discussions like we had are the life blood of websites like The Diecast Zone.
21/09/2023 2:22 am
great piece of research Charles, somehow I missed Davids original. Love historical car facts like these, thanks.
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