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[Closed] Yo, JK. Take this down if in your judgment what follows maybe too confronting for The Lounge........

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(@Bruce Gibbins)
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Yo, JK. Take this down if in your judgment what follows maybe too confronting for The Lounge........

The question is: when the death penalty is not an option to the courts in a country where mass murder has happened, what is the alternative and where rehabilitation is no option? Not all US states have the death penalty - so there are those that punish with life imprisonment.

In March of 2019 in the New Zealand city of Christchurch on the Sothern Island of Waiponamu, a foreign gunman slaughtered 51 men, women and children - some as young as three, while they were assembling to worship on their religions holy day, a Friday. The 51 people are Muslim.

Yesterday, this individual, the foreign gunman, was sentenced to the countries harshest punishment since capital punishment was abolished in the 1950's.

But in New Zealand now, the top punishment is whole of life without parole - and with no legal challenge allowable. Yesterdays verdict from the High Court in Christchurch is the first time this sentence has been passed.

Surely, a life for a life would have been the most just way for the gunman to be punished - to forfeit his own life - just like we believe it should be. Our Judeo-Christian teachings tell us so.
We are not a cruel people, we are liberal and generally humanitarian and work actively for peace to return to the world. With a strong warrior culture we support our friends and allies in the fields of battles where we are needed.
You might say that we are the Canadians of the South Pacific - more or less, if that makes any sense.

But how many lives does the killer have to be taken? Only one, he can die only the one time. But how will that help the familes of the slain find peace in justice and in law.

Well, life without parole means the full extent of an individuals natural life.
This will be spent in 24hour maximum isolation, in a cell away from the prisons general population. He will eat sleep, deficate, wash and die in that room with no view of the outside, no natural sunlight, just an infrared lamp to maintain what health giving rays the Sun naturally provides us with.

The killer will be released from his cell for a short period of time each day to pace around in a bare room as exercise. There will be no TV.
He will be a prisoner of his own mind too and each time he falls asleep, he will awaken again to the surroundings and mode of existence that will be his for as long as he is remains alive.
Each day he will die and then awaken again and so he will die many deaths, not just the one.

His name can never be mentioned again he will from henceforth be only a number. There is a local news media blackout from ever using his name - he can never recieve visits from family members who live overseas.
He becomes, in effect, a non-person, known only to God now, whose judgment will be pure and just.

If you have read this far: you will have an opinion as to whether the death penalty is preferable to whole of life imprisonment and with out the chance of parole as applied in this way by the Government of Aotearoa New Zealand.
Don't say anything, just think about it - death or whole of life in isolation without parole?



   
(@100ford2003)
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Wow.



   
Geoff Jowett
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very moving Bruce



   
Brush
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Whole life their way; NOT the country club [in comparison] life here in the US.



   
(@bob-jackman)
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Thought provoking to say the least.



   
(@Don Anderson)
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So...will New Zeeland take all of the U.S.'s lifers? We'll pay em!



   
(@jack-dodds)
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This particular guy would do brutally HARD time !!!! Hell on earth; which he deserves.

The only downside for me is the cost.



   
(@Bruce Gibbins)
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Its about one Million (500kUS) for every year he remains alive.



   
(@Bruce Gibbins)
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An interesting idea, Don. The extra $$$$ would come in handy. This is a unique one time situation and the sentence is unique.
Part reason for these conditions is to protect the prisoner from harm from other inmates. Not that any of them are nessesararly Muslim, but because of the enormity of his crime that is seen as him being a legitimate target for harm.



   
(@jack-dodds)
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Not if he's kept 24-7 on a chain tether out in the exercise yard.......cruel I know.



   
(@Bruce Gibbins)
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Just before final sentencing,when the Judge asked the gunman if he had anything to say that might

Show some remorse, he said that he wished now that he had set fire to the two Mosques where he had just slaughtered 51
people, and burn these places of worship down to the ground.



   
(@jack-dodds)
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Make that a short chain tether and 24-7 in the open.



   
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