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(@karl)
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For those who have ever been to the ACD Museum in Auburn, IN, here is an interesting factoid from automotive design history. The coffin-nose Cord was produced in 1936 and 37, named the 810 and 812. 

Just before that on the other side of the pond, Alfa Romeo had a large racing success at the "Targa Abruzzo – 24 Ore di Pescara", the 24 hr race at Pescara, Italy, in 1934.  Their new 6C 2300, designed by their famous engineer Vittorio Jano, came in 1-2-3.  In honor of that victory, Alfa made a series (reportedly 60) of tuned-up 6C 2300s for the road.  As was customary in those days, Carrozzeria Castagna, Milan, Italy, bodied one or two of these GT road cars... in a slightly derivative manner!  The Castagna came out for the 1937 Milan Auto Show. Another source says the 1936 Milan show, which seems a bit early to have seen a Cord and reinterpreted it?

During the recent Chicago Shenanigans Tour of the Museum, the lunch speaker said that their international sales manager had great success - so i wonder if a 1936 Cord 810 ended up around Milan shortly after it was produced in Indiana? By 1931, the company had "100 international dealers and distributors in 93 different countries around the world."

The cream colored 1937 Alfa Romeo 6C2300 Pescara Castagna was recently acquired from eBay US of all places. (Thank you for the lead, Randy R!) Made 30-40 years ago in resin by Future of Italy.  No other information is known about this Future company.  (I guess their future was not too rosy!) 

The orange unit is by Dugu, also Italy, but diecast from the 1960s.  Marked a 1937 Cord on the detailed baseplate.  

Alfa Romeo 6C2300 Pescara Castagna 4
Alfa Romeo 6C2300 Pescara Castagna Dugu 1937 Cord
Alfa Romeo 6C2300 Pescara Castagna 5
Alfa Romeo 6C2300 Pescara Castagna 6

 

The Castagna is sadly no more so we can't get any measurements off it it - to determine if it was similarly sized to the Cord.  But here are some actual Cord 810 or 812 convertibles I have seen over the years...

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ACD 4

 

IMG 4480

 

Cord


   
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Fascinating information here.  It's no surprise that a radically new and beautiful design would interest some across the pond.  On the other hand, it IS surprising.  As an aside, do you know the provenance of the black Cord with prominent exterior headlights?



   
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@thingluvr You noticed!  It was a 1937 Cord 812 special order for the president of Champion Spark Plugs.  Hardtop coupe with Auburn headlights!



   
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@karl Yes the Cord was specially built for Albert Champion founder and President of Champion Spark Plug Company. A model of the car in 1/43 scale is in my collection.



   
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@bob-jackman Who’s the maker of your Champion Cord model?



   
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@karl So glad to see that tip turn into a great comparative post!



   
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Great info and excellent pictures ! It is a fascinating story involving some really stylish automobiles and very cool replicas. It's is astonishing how influence and developments happen.



   
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Posted by: @karl

For those who have ever been to the ACD Museum in Auburn, IN, here is an interesting factoid from automotive design history. The coffin-nose Cord was produced in 1936 and 37, named the 810 and 812. 

Just before that on the other side of the pond, Alfa Romeo had a large racing success at the "Targa Abruzzo – 24 Ore di Pescara", the 24 hr race at Pescara, Italy, in 1934.  Their new 6C 2300, designed by their famous engineer Vittorio Jano, came in 1-2-3.  In honor of that victory, Alfa made a series (reportedly 60) of tuned-up 6C 2300s for the road.  As was customary in those days, Carrozzeria Castagna, Milan, Italy, bodied one or two of these GT road cars... in a slightly derivative manner!  The Castagna came out for the 1937 Milan Auto Show. Another source says the 1936 Milan show, which seems a bit early to have seen a Cord and reinterpreted it?

During the recent Chicago Shenanigans Tour of the Museum, the lunch speaker said that their international sales manager had great success - so i wonder if a 1936 Cord 810 ended up around Milan shortly after it was produced in Indiana? By 1931, the company had "100 international dealers and distributors in 93 different countries around the world."

The cream colored 1937 Alfa Romeo 6C2300 Pescara Castagna was recently acquired from eBay US of all places. (Thank you for the lead, Randy R!) Made 30-40 years ago in resin by Future of Italy.  No other information is known about this Future company.  (I guess their future was not too rosy!) 

The orange unit is by Dugu, also Italy, but diecast from the 1960s.  Marked a 1937 Cord on the detailed baseplate.  

Alfa Romeo 6C2300 Pescara Castagna 4
Alfa Romeo 6C2300 Pescara Castagna Dugu 1937 Cord
Alfa Romeo 6C2300 Pescara Castagna 5
Alfa Romeo 6C2300 Pescara Castagna 6

 

The Castagna is sadly no more so we can't get any measurements off it it - to determine if it was similarly sized to the Cord.  But here are some actual Cord 810 or 812 convertibles I have seen over the years...

20240315 110438
ACD 4

 

IMG 4480

 

Cord

I have the production figures and serial numbers from the factory and none seem to have ever been exported to Italy. Most went to Canada, England, South Africa and India.



   
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@randyrusk MiniMarque



   
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@randyrusk MiniMarque

That's a rare beast - no photos on google or hobbyDB!  😲



   
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The Cord sedan body got a new life later as the Hupmobile but there were no Hupmobile convertibles as I recall. There was also a Graham Hollywood, both got different hoods and grills from the Cord.  The Hupmobile is Brooklin, the Cord a Mikeansue built kit.

1937 Cord  1941 Hupmobile #1
1937 Cord Hupmobile #2

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Great post with lots of questions requiring more research. Thank you everyone, especially Karl, for this very interesting post.



   
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@john-quilter  There was a beautiful green Graham Hollywood at the ACD!  Did not see a Hupmobile...

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Posted by: @karl

It was a 1937 Cord 812 special order for the president of Champion Spark Plugs.  Hardtop coupe with Auburn headlights!

 

A very special cord indeed.

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