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Harv Goranson
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Minichamps issued Chassis 90106 in their Mullin Collection series (resin).

Minichamps 437 117120 Talbot pic1
Minichamps 437 117120 Talbot pic2

Chassis 90112 is by Spark.

Spark S2714 Talbot Lago T150C SS pic1
Spark S2714 Talbot Lago T150C SS pic2

Chassis 90117 was a DNF at Le Mans in 1939. Pit crews did not have to deal with the wheel spats.

Spark S2918 Talbot Lago T150C LM39 pic1
Spark S2918 Talbot Lago T150C LM39 pic2

I wanted the version that appeared at Sensuous Steel at the Frist, but some maker (forgot who) missed the red color, using metallic instead of solid red. But this is the same registration as the pic Charles posted, with wheel covers attached. Perhaps the owner changed the color by 2013? This was the first "New York" teardrop per the placard at the exhibit.

1938 Talbot Lago T 150C SS F&F Coupe pic1
1938 Talbot Lago T 150C SS F&F Coupe pic2
1938 Talbot Lago T 150C SS F&F Coupe pic3

 



   
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Charles Rockett
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@mg-harv

Harv' these a fantastic models of the New York style 9220  and the red and silver is a fine looking car.  These cars seem to change colour every time they are re-sold, so without knowing the fine nuances of each New York example, one can easily loose track.  I'm a little confused by your comment that the red/silver bears the same registration as the pic I posted.  Are we referring to the licence plate WSU935?  This is a different car to the two-tone blue that I posted as mine has split rear window and is definitely a Jeancart 9221. Perhaps I have misunderstood

Further, I can say for sure that the very first New York Chassis 90103 can be easily identified by a small air intake on the left hand side of the bonnet which had been added to improve respiration.  Of course that may since have been modified back to original but remained so in the early 2000s.  Thank-you, again for posting your wonderful models.  I have a few New Yorks (coming-up) but not one of the classic form that you've shown.



   
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Charles Rockett
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@perrone1 Hi Tony,  looking through your photographs of 4 Talbot-Lago at Pebble Beach, I have just noticed that the last one in the shot of the rears is in fact a Jeancart and maybe the first produced.  From the front it has the classic radiator grille whereas one of the later survivors has a squarish grille and another has free standing chromed Marchal headlamps. But the headlamps in your picture seem to grow from the fender and maybe painted.  Can you remember what these headlamps were like; or maybe you have a photo' of the front of this car taken more at an angle?  Sorry to be a pain, but I have been trying to locate images of this car.  Can you remember what year concours this was? Many thanks.



   
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Steve Williams
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Here is another Charles by MA Models

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Some other French Curves

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Steve


   
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Charles Rockett
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Hi Steve, these make a wonderful display and are individually beautiful models. I recognise the Heco Bugatti Atlante, (or perhaps a CMC?) and what I take to be the Challenge Pourtout/Paulin Delage. But I would be pleased to know who produced the 165 World's Fair Delahaye.  It comes on the same base as your M.A. Collections Talbot-Lago and yet looks identical in every detail to Heco's Miniatures de Chateau version, (which I hope to cover in a few weeks' time). Also the Orange / Ivory looks like the M.A. 1936 Paris Salon 135 - but I only know theirs from a small catalogue image. Many thanks for sharing these.



   
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Posted by: @charles-rockett

@perrone1 Hi Tony,  looking through your photographs of 4 Talbot-Lago at Pebble Beach, I have just noticed that the last one in the shot of the rears is in fact a Jeancart and maybe the first produced.  From the front it has the classic radiator grille whereas one of the later survivors has a squarish grille and another has free standing chromed Marchal headlamps. But the headlamps in your picture seem to grow from the fender and maybe painted.  Can you remember what these headlamps were like; or maybe you have a photo' of the front of this car taken more at an angle?  Sorry to be a pain, but I have been trying to locate images of this car.  Can you remember what year concours this was? Many thanks.

You're not a pain at all! Charles, this was the 50th Anniversary of the Concours - year 2000. If you are talking about the blue car, from the rear, furthest away, I do not recall the look of the front. I have the original print photos in a book. I'll look to see if there are any of that car additionally, and if so, will scan them and post back here.

 



   
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Charles; not sure which photo you are looking at. I unearthed four more photos I took that day of what I think you may be looking at. Are these any help?

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Two others; Click To Enlarge Photo:

 

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Charles Rockett
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@perrone1 Thanks Tony for your additional information, which with a bit of searching has proven very interesting.  The accepted information is that five Jeancart models were produced: three on the T150-C SS chassis:  one on the three-litre T23 chassis;  and one on the T150-C Lago Speciale long-wheelbase chassis. Of which three are known to survive.

Yet with your photographs a question arises over Chassis 93064 in which we see the headlights having been altered on a car valued at $2,640,000. I'm bound to breach someone's photographic copyright but I can think of no other way to clarify the situation. 

Photograph supposedly of original Jeancart and therefore possibly chassis Nº 90101 / note spinning disc motif rear spat and apparently no louvres atop bonnet

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1937 Talbot-Lago  T23 Chassis 93064 / 'built-in' headlamps - no spinning disk rear spat. (The same car in 1977 with flush rear lights, since altered)

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1938 - Talbot-Lago T23 chassis N°93064 / freestanding headlamps

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1937 - Talbot-Lago  T150 C SS Chassis 90107 / with body shape more like New York teardrop 9220 yet definitely notch-back split rear screen Jeancart

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1938 - Talbot-Lago T150 C  long wheelbase Chassis No. 90034 the only Jeancart design 9222 (no rear spat) 

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Posted by: @charles-rockett

But I would be pleased to know who produced the 165 World's Fair Delahaye.  It comes on the same base as your M.A. Collections Talbot-Lago and yet looks identical in every detail to Heco's Miniatures de Chateau version,

Charles, That is indeed an MA model purchased from Dave Sinclair in 2005.

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Here is the entire "swoopy car" bookshelf display

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A pic of the 1/24th scale shelf

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And some history of the car.

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Steve


   
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Steve Williams
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Here is another T150SS by Spark that I don't remember being shown Chassis #70107.      Has a nicely detailed interior

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This car sold for $13,425,000 in 2022 by Gooding & CO

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Steve


   
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Charles Rockett
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@stewil Steve, you preempt me. I already have my write-up for this car - and this model - ready for my usual Thursday post! But a nice addition here, thank-you.



   
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OOPS - 😯 


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Charles Rockett
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@stewil Not "Oops" at all.  It's a pleasure seeing all your beautiful French cars 'à tout ênsemble'.  It's an enviable collection.



   
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Steve Williams
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@charles-rockett 

Whew! Thank you Charles.

Here is something else I would like to post and can wait if it might cause preemption. Sad    Please let me know.

Some pics from the Amelia Island concourse of the 1937 Delahaye 135, a Bugatti Atalante, and a some curvey 1/43rd scale American cars.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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Steve


   
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