Thanks for your comments Dave and I very much look forward to buying one of your '70 Toronados.....when I figure out which wheel style I like best....lol. In reality my choice will no doubt be based on color choice.
Many thanks Jack! There will be four colors produced, and two will be exclusive to TOYCARGEEK; Ming Jade and Aegean Aqua Poly. Both of these will have the base wheels. The other two colors will be chosen by Stamp, and are TBD. I can't promise anything, but I am going to ask Stamp if I can buy some extra wheel/axle assemblies to offer as options. If I can talk them into it, you'll be able to pick your favorite color/wheel option!
Both of your selections are very attractive. There are no shortage of great colors to choose from.
Dave do you know if there will be any solid color versions done? Those two colors are both very nice. There are sure no shortage of great colors to choose from. Burgundy Mist Iridescent is one color that I recall looks fantastic on this Toro.
Dave; I THINK this car is also Aegean Aqua Iridescent; pic taken indoors makes the color darker it seems. What a gorgeous color!
@jack-dodds I am not sure what the other colors will be - Stamp is going to choose those. It was very hard to choose a color; there were 17 colors available for the Toro in 1970, and most were stunning:
Burgundy Mist was not available on the Toro, but Grenadier Red was very close to it:
I believe that other one you mentioned is actually Oxford Gray Poly (OGP).. Even though the OGP color chip looks blue in the above image, I have the actual color chart, where the OGP looks very close to the photo of the car in the showroom. So hard to tell given the lighting in the photo, variations in monitors, etc. OGP would be my third choice if I was able to pick another color...the chip is beautiful!
I posted a poll in my GLM/Stamp Facebook group, and here are the results so far:
The discussion in this topic is very interesting. Let me to tell my opinion.
First of all, we can divide mistakes into 2 parts- production and fundamental.
Production mistakes- the problems with quality: painting defects, incorrect emblems, rubber tyres which destroy plastic wheels.
Fundamental mistakes- absolutely incorrect proportions of body, errors in colours, the baseplates where is nothing.
I think that quality problems- the quilt of msnufacturer. No doubts, it's possible to be attentive and to icrease a quality control.
For instance, Minichamps had good reputation of excellent models by a reasonable price. Now they reissue old editions as Maxichamps. Unfortunately, the quality is lower. Last models which I bought have some painting defects and not all details are accurate while the same castings made early as Minichamps don't have these problems. I think Paul Lang and his team try to make production operstions cheaper to compete with Bernard Perez corporation and pay less attention on some defects.
Fundamental mistakes very character for some De Agostini partworks and other PCT production and early models by NEO.
For example, most of models in De Agostini partwork " Autolegends of URSS" had incorrect body shape and unstabil quality. This is the result of coordination the orderes and the msnufscturer. They had no interest to create perfect product, only business. At the same time the orders of other partworks are interested in their reputation and De Agostini has to make better models.
Though in many cases the result depends on communication between all participators of the project snd their interests.
"Will my reply be even a little useful or interesting to others, or is it really just whining?". Whenever I see a reply like "I always hated that color"
I agree with John and you, no question. Certainly, voicing personal opinions about fins, colors, wheels, etc.. can clearly be taxing & not too terribly productive. I occasionally take considerable heat for noting not so much unequivocal mistakes, such as spelling errors, oddly shaped body-tooling or upside-down emblems, but rather for "perceived obscure-errors." That is, white-wall widths, specific "factory" colors, rare trim, etc...
Almost always someone will combat me with "Man who..." arguments. For instance, there's overwhelming evidence that '64 Chevrolets did not leave the factory with "wide-whites." But of course, "Oh yeah, I knew a man who had them on his car!" Yes, probably true... but my gripe is why replicate that one (or 106 ) car that were exceptions (for whatever reason ) when over a million '64 Chevys left factories with either black-walls or "slim-band whitewalls?"
I never say I hate any one or company for choosing to duplicate "obscurity," I just don't understand it. Am I whining? IDK, perhaps I am...... 🙄 😯 🙄
I, for one, always look forward to your postings Chris.
@daveg Dave; Thanks for your further info on the Toro colors; I should have remembered that color charts and pics of the actual car can be misleading at times. I find your color poll results very surprising; the votes are fairly evenly spread out for the most part!
I, for one, always look forward to your postings Chris.
Thanks Steve! You'll noticed, not too many others chimed in with thumbs-up. LoL Like I used to say, when I was running things/managing people & products, "I'm not here to make friends...."
I've seen only a couple Toronados in the last 20 years. Both are beautiful colors but not sure what year the blue one is! BUT I would always go with the bluish one! The red one is a '66 - just seen at the Chicago Shenanigans!
I've seen only a couple Toronados in the last 20 years. Both are beautiful colors but not sure what year the blue one is! BUT I would always go with the bluish one! The red one is a '66 - just seen at the Chicago Shenanigans!
Hello Karl,
The blue is a '67. The designers eliminated the 'eyebrows' above the pop-up headlights.
"One thing that will always puzzle me is the collective passivism among some collectors. They never admit a mistake (by every known metric ) has indeed been made. Finding ways to "explain away" every possible production possibility is a mystery.
My 1/18 Greenlight 1981 Ford Mustang Cobra has the 5.0 V8 engine, but this a mistake. Period, no exceptions. 5.0 V8s weren't even being manufactured in 1981; Cobras had 4.2 V8s"
Maybe Greenlight wanted to craft a 1981 Cobra with a 5.0 swap 😀 🤣 😆 😉 😊 😋 😎
Maybe Greenlight wanted to craft a 1981 Cobra with a 5.0 swap
A perfect example of trying to "explain away" a mistake. LoL 😀 😀
-Even Greenlight's '81 Cobra box correctly lists the proper engine specs/options. If GL wanted to replicate a V8 swap.... no problem! But INDICATE THAT on the packaging. "Custom, backyard up-grade, tribute" ... Say something! 🙄 😀
The discussion in this topic is very interesting. Let me to tell my opinion.
First of all, we can divide mistakes into 2 parts- production and fundamental.
Production mistakes- the problems with quality: painting defects, incorrect emblems, rubber tyres which destroy plastic wheels.
Fundamental mistakes- absolutely incorrect proportions of body, errors in colours, the baseplates where is nothing.
I think that quality problems- the quilt of msnufacturer. No doubts, it's possible to be attentive and to icrease a quality control.
You are completely right. The production mistakes are generally well accepted to be discussed by the overall audience. Most manufacturers are open to critics and improvement without fear that they will be out of business. Some are not and their attitudes are don't comment, just buy what we do and don't complain. If it is wrong, we will continue to do it the same way.
A few hardcore collectors who are always the same will never admit when there are fundamental flaws that need to be addressed even on pre-production models. This side of the hobby is perceived as taboo with very low tolerance for those who have the courage to comment and are automatically tagged with negativity. This is encouraged in many ways and completely wrong.
A few hardcore collectors who are always the same will never admit when there are fundamental flaws that need to be addressed even on pre-production models. This side of the hobby is perceived as taboo with very low tolerance for those who have the courage to comment and are automatically tagged with negativity.
Yep! About 10 years ago, many collectors (especially me, because I owned a 1:1 '57 Dodge at the time ) were extremely saddened/disappointed with the totally messed up release of a certain 1/18 1959 Dodge. It was brilliantly executed in some areas but obscenely derelict in others. Some proportions were so wacked that I predicted there would be no way an up-top convertible iteration (there were always 3 versions: HT, 'Vert-up, 'Vert-down ) could be tooled without looking hideous.
I didn't view it as a "contest" (Hey, look what I know... ) or said it in a know-it-all-fashion. It was just an observation/prediction; I could've been mistaken. But man-0-man, did I take the heat. Many came down on me as if I had stolen all the syrup at pancake breakfast!
