The Diecast Zone · Model Car Club Since 1994

Diecast Collector Forums

Eight forums, every scale, and thirty years of shop talk — new arrivals, restorations, reviews, and the finds you won’t see posted anywhere else, with the full archive back to 2002 restored and searchable. Free to Register.

8Forums
195,000+Topics
1,276,000+Posts
10,000+Members

Why is it called th...
 
Notifications
Clear all

[Closed] Why is it called the "Blue Book"?

14 Posts
8 Users
0 Reactions
39 Views
(@Galen Laird)
Joined: 1 second ago
Posts: 0
 

Why is it called the "Blue Book"?

photo no longer available
photo no longer available
photo no longer available
photo no longer available
photo no longer available



   
(@mcdonald)
Reputable Member
Joined: 6 years ago
Posts: 274
 

Because it was blue in color.



   
(@randtheman)
Noble Member
Joined: 6 years ago
Posts: 1576
 

A Fabricated Hoax

This " bible" is used to allow the least amount of money so a reseller can sell for the most amount of money. Its fiction with a lot of manipulated data in favor of auto dealers.



   
(@Ron Dietrich)
Joined: 1 second ago
Posts: 0
 

Feeling blue after finding out your cars worth?



   
(@Bruce Gibbins)
Joined: 1 second ago
Posts: 0
 

Didn't this horror filled hand book have regular updates? Perhaps the first edition had a blue cover



   
George Schire
(@georgeschire)
Illustrious Member
Joined: 6 years ago
Posts: 24733
 

Actually the N.A.D.A. book you picture is NOT the Blue Book. The latter is called the Kelly Blue Book and basically it is of the same general information as the N.A.D.A. book, but their car values aren't always the same. The Kelly Blue book has higher retail values, but lower trade-in values.

What's strange is that most banks and credit unions around the country use and rely on the N.A.D.A book for "Retail value", "Loan value", and "Trade-in value" when looking to lend money on a car to a customer, BUT, and it's a huge but, the majority of automobile dealerships use the Kelly Blue Book to come up with the same values.

So the problem is that, generally when banks are considering lending money on used cars, they have different information than the dealerships. This makes coming to terms on said values often strained in putting a loan together.

I worked in and managed consumer loan departments for 35 years during my banking career, and it was always a constant wonder why dealers insist on using the more inflated values of the Blue Book over N.A.D.A. Though the reason is somewhat obvious in that the Blue Book usually is much more escalated in their values. Thus they will attempt to charge more for a car that it is likely worth. And they will give a customer LESS for their trade-in, thus increasing their margin for resale.

Finally, there are different editions of each book for different sections of the country. One reason is that cars in sunny warm climates are generally worth more than cars that have endured cold and winter. Another factor is driving conditions.

Bottom line is they are two very different books.


George Schire
Oakdale, Minnesota


   
(@Galen Laird)
Joined: 1 second ago
Posts: 0
 

Thank was an amazing history lesson George, so much I did not know. Thanks so much!



   
(@Bruce Gibbins)
Joined: 1 second ago
Posts: 0
 

Thank you George, an informative comparison summary between the two handbooks.



   
cadillaclloyd
(@lloyd-mecca)
Famed Member
Joined: 6 years ago
Posts: 2368
 

Here in the 21st century, no one uses a book, but an on-line, real-time service such as Manheim Vehicle Value Index which is by subscription only.
This database has every trade-in on-line and a dealer can look at this before giving you a penny. It is updated nightly.



   
(@Terence Slekar)
Joined: 1 second ago
Posts: 0
 

The Kelly Blue Book was always bound in blue...as far back as I can remember



   
John Kuvakas
(@jkuvakas)
Illustrious Member Admin
Joined: 6 years ago
Posts: 27626
 

Correct. Before this online resource, delaerships used the "Black Book"

This was a subscription-only book that came out every two weeks and was tied to auction sales in a given region. All trade-ins were evaluated using these resources. I never worked at a dealership that used either NADA or KBB.


John Kuvakas
Warrenton, VA


   
Frank Kocour
(@kocour)
Illustrious Member
Joined: 6 years ago
Posts: 16123
 

Yeah. The Internet ruined everything.



   
 Joop
(@joop)
Illustrious Member
Joined: 6 years ago
Posts: 4042
 

I only know of "Project Blue Book" , but that was something different....



   
George Schire
(@georgeschire)
Illustrious Member
Joined: 6 years ago
Posts: 24733
 

John, I've been retired from banking for 12 years. But during my 35 year career, the banks I worked had lending relationships with hundreds of auto dealerships and every one of those dealerships used the Kelly Blue Book to arrive at their "trade-in values" and "retail values"...while the banks relied on the N.A.D.A book for the same values.

As I stated in my previous comment, the difference between the two books was that the Kelly Blue Book offered HIGHER retail values and LOWER trad-in values. Where as the banks would use the more realistic N.A.D.A. values to assure that they were in a better lending position when giving out loans.


George Schire
Oakdale, Minnesota


   
Share: